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axter 03.03.2012 05:35:42 UTC

1 for ever

Hi Henzel ,

I thought that is strange to have no stop for hours no matter what you do . Everything is in a sinusoidal chart.
For example Tiger Woods is by far the best golfer in the world , but even so there is some guy that beats him from time to time. You've done the math. Let me show you again the math. The dull cube burned in 12 months with more than 50% than Marek and did double the distance so 100% more ...but the training time is significantly less.
Something does not match in my math ! But you cover the privacy of a ...... that on Friday night is wasting the time at 2 AM on the internet ....nevermind a life of GF or rest for the 50% more calories than of a athlete that travels around the world on his bike and now is in India .
So I do not let him anymore to play God here . About the private , I kept it to annoy him and see how is to do what he was doing.

Yes , I do a lot of travelling and I keep a track of where I've been in the last 9-10 months.
http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/soaring_792988
So wherever the trainings are , I was there and is my right to track my GPS trails . Just that I did not use the HRM on those ones. But again is my choice.
Regarding your 1st place , when you will not sustain such bad cheater you will get your chance.
Also majority of my excercises are open. About 95% of them , all the pictures and so on. The ones that are not public were just made that due to the setting that it was ...and the profile is private for the reason above .
Regarding Miami , no I was on the scenic highway that has a huge bike route. That one has fewer traffic lights as is not interupted so many times , But as well you can see the spikes in speed to almost 50 kmh and also the bike does not need to stop at the end of the queue and you can get in the front of the cars , so you get a big advantage.
But even so , you still need to stop. But in that case there were the least traffic lights I ever had to stop and so on.
You can see a normal ride that has "100" stops and I ride at 33-37 and I have to get back there from 0
http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/race-biking_687563
so that's why when I saw yours with no stops and 30+ kmh at almost the same with the active speed it was difficult to believe . Also in UK or any country the average speed in populated area with the car is 30 kmh or much worse
http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/driving_783104
http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/driving_785155
So you can look at my trainings as much as you want at anytime , just that the dull cheater should not be aloud. I had also many more since 2009 , but I never loaded them online and in 2010 I've re installed the windows mobile and I lost all the previous stuff . Now I use an android SE Xperia arc and all the pictures / trainings are done with it.
About the structure for bikes I've seen it all over the world....or almost. In Copenhagen there is a green wave line. So if you ride at 20 kmh you will get green light at all the lights. They have the best infrastructure in the world for bikes. Even so , there is another problem that I never had in Florida. They have thousands of bikes in front of you and they never stay on the right. In Florida you will be amazed to see more than 5 bikes...from the other direction....and nobody in your direction!!! So is not all advantageous ! Same in Holland. But anyway , when you dull friend will publish at least 10% of his trainings , he will get a chance . Till then dream on ....I've done at least 60000 km in 2012 !
So if I will start to record more than 20% of mine nobody will stand a chance.
http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/driving_784629
LeMarquis 03.03.2012 02:21:29 UTC geändert am 03.03.2012 02:43:01 UTC



Hi Axter,

I'm sure you can f*ck up the HoF in april too... I hope you understand you're not screwing it up for me, but for everyone else! But well, your hatred against me seems to be more important to you than the wellbeing of the others. Which tells us a lot about your character.
I offered you to not only make my older data visible to some people here, but all of my data. You refused the offer (afraid to make apologies?). Apparently you're not interested in whether my data is valid or not. You're just interested in making people believe that there's no way people can perform better than you. Well, I have bad news for you dude. You're not even in the top 100 rankings. For normal people that's not a shame, but for alpha-males like yourselve it probably is.

I told you many times before that I gave the Run.GPS team permission to examine my data and publish the outcome on this forum. So this has nothing to do with the DPA!

Too bad that you're not only a loser, you're a bad loser too...
henzel 03.03.2012 02:14:11 UTC



Hi Axter,

thanks for being at least straight. Though, your profile is private and you are taking (unlegimit) the number one spot. In violation with your own so called rule.

Quote: "I told him so many times that he will never get the no1 spot again with a "private" profile."

Bit strange, isn't it? And even if your profile is private, I do believe all your normal workouts are legimit and ok. I visited your profile sometimes before you went private, no harm there. But you were definitely not "sailing" 400km @ 28 cq 36km/h in jan and feb, consuming 33000 kcal per month, those "exercises" should have been counting for like 5kcal/km instead of 80kcal/km. As I told you, private profiles are not that private. Sailing means: NOT motorized. That's your cheat. But at least you won't deny it, I guess.

But even then.... if you can manage the amount of calories exactly, why go in front of me? Even though my profile is as public as it can be, you find "some of my trainings" dodgy.... even then you are suspicious.... So it can never be legimit if someone beats you in calories?? "He is also dutch, so probably he'll cheat," is that your mindset? "He defends LeMarquis, so must be cheater"... kind of childish, isnt't it? I am 90% sure you will still call him a cheater if he would make his profile public.

In my defence, yes, I drive without stops sometimes for many hours, thats because I spend hours in creating routes that have no stops or roads with lots of cars. Also very public as you can see, I have dozens routes public. I have this Run.GPS application because it was (or maybe still is) the only android app that had AUDIO navigation. I have an in-ear headphone that guides me over well-prepared routes, my phone goes in my back-pocket. Don't like expensive phones on a steer. Also, I HATE traffic and traffic lights. That's why I do avoid them as much as possible, but as you can see in my commuting trips, I have at least 3 traffic lights unfortunetly.

And could you please give me an example (or more) of a training of mine that you find dodgy??

Cold winter? Not this one. There was almost no winter, except for 2,5 (for dutch standards) freaking cold weeks from 28jan-14feb (-6,7 celcius average day and night over that period). And even if winter would really strike, if you had been checking the HoF per activity, LeMarquis is not race-biking for few months, just normal bike, averages around 22-23km/h if I am not mistaken. Just like those other 50.000 other commuters that make 10.000km a year. Nothing new there.

You said you have been to the Netherlands, you should know this country's infrastructure is very friendly for bikes. Maybe you did not notice. A lot, I mean a LOT of people uses bikes for commuting, because it is just as fast (or even faster) and cheaper then car or public transport. Bike roads are almost without any exceptions as well made ice-free as normal roads with salt. You know the concept. Though not in Germany... good example: http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/cycling_773221.

Holland = bike-friendly. Fact. Read about it, it's written everywhere. Roundabouts? Cars have to wait for bikes, not the other way around. Traffic lights? Bikes in all directions get green light same time and EVERY turn again, at least one every 30 seconds... In Germany I hit one traffic light on commuting, that is TIME controlled, in which I have to wait up to 3 minutes!! Crazy compared to the max of 30-40 seconds in Netherlands.

I can show some pictures if you want, but don't see the point. Having no pictures uploaded means also that someone is suspicious? Weird.

As for LeMarquis, I don't know him, as I told before. I was trying to get to know him at some point last year because he was private and I could not believe his data either. I tried to add him as a friend on Run.GPS, he refused, but mailed back with explanation. Since then we have some contact every few weeks by mail. In the meanwhile I discovered the HoF charts per activity and kept tracking all of his averages for several months. Miles, duration, calories/km, I noted them and calculated. Nothing weird, all within margin for cycling/race-biking (>95% of his workouts) which means between 27 and 33 kcal/km, as are mine and pretty much rest of users. As were your bike trainings as far as I can remember.

Though, your example is also a nice example:http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/race-biking_777112. 1463kcal/35,77km = 40,9 kcal/km. ??????? If you do that on ALL of my trainings, you will find that ALL of them are between 30 and 33kcal/km. A lot less then your 40,9, big disadvantage for me, I have to ride 30% more km to get the same amount of burnt calories... Not fair. I could say, you are a cheater if I were as short-minded as you. But no... not your fault, that's a faulthy algorithm probably. MKbiker averages even 48,5 kcal/km in cycling over 2011, as for my average 31,9kcal/km (2011) and LeMarquis 29,7kcal/km (last 12 months, cycling).

Your training in Miami is the worst example possible in comparison. Miami? How many millions live there? It will have at least 500 traffic lights I guess.... You are driving inside the city, you had to stop 10 times in 35km. My city has NO traffic lights, only roundabouts, I can easy doing 100km without seeing one traffic light with the correct route. Again, look closer before judging.

I hope eSymmetric team will take action against those so called sailing trips of yours, it has been several months now. Do you really thing they can't see your trainings? Dream on, that's the same as saying that Google is not sniffing around in your gmail. Get back to real life.

Kind regards.

Henzel
axter 02.03.2012 22:09:32 UTC

I can do it in April too...

There is no such thing as Run GPS checking any data. In all the private profiles they can't reveal anything that is private . Can you understand that ? It is called Data Protection Act ! They can't reveal anything , so that's why you had it for so long.
Also aside you that you have no pictures at all !!! I have uploaded probably around 250 ! So you can see the places ...so you can check them on Google Earth...as anyway that's your way of "getting out" from home
About banning , I did ask them already , but for a good reason.
So cry and chicken out and do not bother anymore , everybody know that you are cheating. Not even 1 picture , not even a published track . Put some from a year ago. What privacy is interrupting ? If you want privacy , do not publish anything here and look to your reports on your 2 devices .
Not only that you are a cheater....but even that you are not good at it !
LeMarquis 02.03.2012 21:43:50 UTC



Let me be very short this time because I'm not going to answer all your b*llsh*t.
I'll ask the Run.GPS team to check your data. If it turns out there are fake recordings I will ask them to have you banned from the site.
You did not respond to my proposal so that says it all... nothing more to say. You're not a man nor a sportsman and you never will be.
As for the 1st place... yes, I will kiss it goodbye... probably in may. Certainly not to you, but one of the top athletes.
You´ll receive a gold medal for the worst loser though.

Regards,

LeMarquis
axter 02.03.2012 21:35:40 UTC

I did not had anything to say to you

but anyway you cheat all the time so I do not ask anybody to verify your data. Can't you understand that you'll never see the no1 again ?
If you want to know I have about 100 times brain cells more than of a cube .
About the cave I think you talk about yourself ...as I came from the Carnival in Rio....and haven't seen any cave .
For your information I am latin and know latin but here is no hoc signo vinces ...so if you do not know it , take a pall mall and check it , but by the sign with the finger I win and you'll never mess up again.
You think that you are smart ? When there are -20 degrees in Holland you are doing more sport than somebody in Australia ....anyway dream on . That's why I do this for everybody else and I will keep you and your GF away from the no 1 ....FOREVER !
About the race , it will never happen as so many times you chicken out . So if you are the no1 give me your address and I will come to race you and your GF too .

I gave you in the other post the link to my pictures and all the trainings are having pictures .
The american cars they have something called speed limit , that is 20-30 miles per hour on a scenic highway and another thing called traffic and traffic lights . So that is the average speed. Done by me in the car / bike ....everything.
Your data checked by Run Gps....what a joke .... All the calories in this top are checked by Run Gps . If you want to make sure that are real , put the HRM and do not ride the tram to the econ store and home and put it as cycling on 2 devices ......then let them open and give us the link. Just few trainings.

About the bike , there are some bags that you can buy , so go on the Shop area of this site and make a purchase and buy a bike bag . At least you will do something positive . Then you can take your bike anywhere...in case is not the tram.
I am very sure that your other GF does 30 kmh average....so I assume that for a minute that she stops at the traffic lights she can do 60 for another minute to make the average of 30.... do the math ....hahahaha But I am sure that she can , as all imaginary things they are all having super powers !!! Where in the Imaginationland does she live ?

I do not know any sheldon cooper....and I do not waste my time to say anything more

So go and chicken out somewhere else . BTW ...by May you can kiss goodbye to the no1 in the last 12 months too !
LeMarquis 02.03.2012 18:49:46 UTC geändert am 02.03.2012 19:11:48 UTC



Well well well, look who I got out of his cave.
It seems I hurt your feelings a bit for which I'm of course, very sorry.
Now, let's see... first of all let me say I was a bit impressed by your latin phrase in your other post... I didn't think so few braincells could store that many latin words. Anyhow, since you seem to be familiar with latin maybe the phrase "post hoc ergo propter hoc" tells you something? It basically means that you're talking so much nonsense...
For example: why would Henzel be violating the terms? Can you point that paragraph out to us? Just for the record... I don't know Henzel personally. We will make a biketrip for the first time next spring or summer. And about the GF-stuff... I think you could need one, because you can't seem to stop talking about it. This is not the type of forum for those kind of frustrations. Like Henzel said: just do the math. But I guess that's a bit too much to ask in your case.
Now about your recordings: I did not ask for those. I'd prefer to see pictures of you on your bike in Brazil, the US or whereever you go. You seem to travel a lot and take your bike everywhere you go so you must have tons of pictures. The american cars don't seem to be what they used to. 28 Km/h on average and they can't keep up with you? Well, if you want to talk about GF's... mine was, on certain tracks, driving almost 30 on average last year. So.. what's your point?
Now, like I told you about 100 times before: if you question my honesty, just ask the Run.GPS team to verify my data, because I will NOT publish any data to you. But, it's a good thing you mentioned "quid pro pro", because I can propose the following: I'll make my trainings visible for 3 persons on the Run.GPS website, of which 2 I don't know IRL and I'll have my data checked by the Run.GPS team, because apparently you're not going to. When they find my recordings to be correct, then let's see if you're man enough to make public apologies on this forum about the false accusations about me, Henzel and anyone else you've wrongly accused. Futhermore, you'll shut up about this subject forever.
So, what do you think? Quid quo pro!
Last but not least: regarding the race... I already thought you wouldn't be able to tell that it was sarcasm (you remind me of Sheldon Cooper; if you don't know him, google him!). I do not want to race against you, nor do I think you're a great sportman. I'm sorry. But if you insist: I already invited you for when you'll be in Holland. Why going to Noyway then? Chicken?

Regards,

LeMarquis
axter 02.03.2012 14:10:00 UTC

Leave the no1 spot for others ! You will never get it again !

Hey Henzel ,

yes , you are defending LM big time. I told him so many times that he will never get the no1 spot again with a "private" profile.

Then you are violating the terms and conditions as you are talking garbage about me , but you're defending someone that is no1 every month in a cold winter in front of others from Spain or from the sunny South Africa , Australia and so on. I've looked at your trainings and there something dodgy about. For hours you had no stop. So you haven't found a speed bump , traffic light , roundabout / traffic circle , anything .
Look at a training that I had with strong side wind :
http://www.gps-sport.net/trainings/race-biking_777112
http://www.gps-sport.net/trainingReports/axter/trainings201201/120130_131727_947447/training.html
but in perfect conditions. I had a scenic highway , a huge / wide bike lane that had less stops than the cars and from Dania Beach to Miami Beach I was keeping up with the fastest cars !!! and still the average speed was just under 28 kmh never the less all the time I was over 30+ kmh with spikes to almost 50 kmh !!!
So if 90% of the cars did not kept up with me....how fast are you going !? How come you never stop ? I did as well passed few times on red light ...but more than that was impossible.
So get a HRM and ask your GF (LM) to do as well and then aim for the 1st place.
Till LM will not publish at least 10% of the trainings , he will never kiss again the 1st place .People like Marek are entitled to it !!!
Why a HRM ...cause if not he can drive a car and put the training as cycling. As he was in top of the calories but not in the top on the front page for the first few days. Also he can use multiple units , different weight and age and so on.
I use only one unit , I had another one till May 2011 , I never put the exercises under fake categories. For example if I walk , I do not put them as hiking or drive as cycling. The weight and age are correct and I use as often as I can the HRM . The only one that is not exactly right is the flying as soaring , as that is the only category there.
So as everybody asked here , ask your GF LM to publish at least some of his trainings or I will never allow you 2 to touch the no1 spot ever again !
Regarding the race ...I've asked him long time ago and he did chicken out. Now he came back ...so if you 2 want a race , take a ferry to Norway in the summer and I will race you there !

henzel 08.01.2012 13:39:49 UTC

Change?

Did the eSymetric team change the HoF a little bit since the new website? The first (and so far only) 3 on the homepage, Athletes of the Month (http://www.gps-sport.net) are not the same as under the HoF (http://www.gps-sport.net/hallOfFame.jsp). On the homepage there is also a new info butting showing this:

"Most active athletes of the month. Only the following endurance sports are taken into account: running, nordic-walking, hiking, cycling, mountainbiking, race-cycling, rollerblading, rowing, cross-country-skiing and snowshoeing. Manual training entries are not taken into account."

Seems like the complaints about unfair activitees have had some success, or am I a complete IDIOT to notice it just now? :)

If I may give a response on the last few pages, it is very hilarious to read, so keep on posting :D

As for my opinion: motorsports please be out of HoF in any way !!!!! Maybe there has to be a real accident on the road where forensics can identify a phone running this app before the eSymetric team rules this out. Please be a step ahead, don;t let people kill themselves OR others with this app, trying to get on top of the HoF fastest speeds !!!!!

Next, about total private users... they are not that private at all, you can still follow (or "check") their activities partially. The HoF can be sorted on any activity and gives a LOT of data of private users. Top10 HoF users are usually also in top10 in one or more particularly activitys. You only have to spend time in research, if you don't, you have to accept their honosty. When I ranked up the ladder this year and the top10 became visible to me, off course LeMarquis was aggravating to me, could not see what he was doing. But looking into the numbers it was easy to see his numbers are legit. Week after week, month after month, avarages of 28-30 kcal/kilometer on both cycling and race-biking, with avarage speeds of 22-23km/hour cq. 31km/h. Those numbers can hardly be faked, and off course they can, but you must be the Biggest Idiot to make that kind of effort to cheat, really. You must spend hours and hours on faking (with your car or whatsoever) to comply on these average en total time conditions. Not a singe time you make a mistake in cheating, because there is also a HoF top 10 of fastest avarages.

A LOT of numbers to verify someone's achievements even though his or her profile is public. So stop accusing people WITHOUT doing this research. Off course the easy way is to not allow non-public profiles, but I can check it anyway. If you put in your weight like 500kg, it will show in the numbers somewehere in the HoF statistics and I will see that is not legit. Very hard to get that top stop as cheaters, the numbers will tell on you.

Having said that.... some activity's are off course out of proportion meaning the burned calories/km. I see endurence sports with 80 kcal/km, there is no way I can compete with that with 31 kcal/km, although the intensity is almost the same. Not pointing at people particularly, what they do is still great but I can only drop them a few places on my virtual HoF. If you looked into the numbers you know exactly what I am talking about.

Same goes for a HRM user, the algorithm adds a lot of kcal when your are using one, I have seen examples of a 60% gain -> cycling without HRM = 27-31kcal/km, same user, same track, same speed, also cycling but WITH HRM -> 45-55kcal/km. Now given the user did not double his weight in a few days, the connected HRM to the app adds 60% kcal over the workout. But hey, no harm there, they bought it and we didn't :) !!!!

Off course people will attack me for telling all this, or if you do not understand the numbers it only looks like I am defending LeMarquis. But hey, his statistics were unreal to me too in the summer when I started to climb the ladder myself. I really thought he was cheating, he also did for 2 months in my head, but I did not tell. Following his every day workouts being as consistent and finding those huge amount of statistics in the HoF ladders, helped me to understand that there is no way he is cheating. I took that effort and a lot of time to verify his achievements, as also others that are non-public. The only thing driving me mad about him is his average of 31km/h on race biking for some months, just undoable for me!!! But I will check on that some time because we will meet someday this spring (I asume) to ride together ;-)

My suggestion to all, stop accusing people without the proper arguments. Having a private profile is not a valid argument per see anymore. If you can't do the math, be carefull on accusing on pure suggestion!!

100.000 kcal in a month is total doable on legit ways with the current algorithm and circumstances, maybe I will proof that later this year though probably not (!!). My profile is public, 95% or more of my trainings are public, I can do 2000 km on a race bike in a month no problem, 2500km is for once also doable I think with current condition. I can buy a HRM, which probably gives me about 45-50kcal/km. DONE! I would be over 100k kcal. The question that rises then: does the algorithm work properly??? If I lower my average speed to 27km/h (without stops) it would be doing practically nothing on a race bike for me, heart rate will be under 100 bpm average in my case, I just have to have enough time and willing to get to 3000km in a months. There is no way I will burn 45-50 kcal/km, even 30 kcal/km is way to high with <100bpm. But there stops my intelligence, no knowledge in that kind af area, I only like maths ;-)

There is even a lot more I have to tell or can figure out of the statistics, but I keep it with this for now.

Have fun and please don't spoil the fun for others, what Axter did (cheating) is inexcusable, he is out of my HoF untill he proofs with his workouts he deserves a spot there!! When he continues this behaviour I hope the eSymetric team will take action, because that is a violation of user agreement and terms of services.

Happy New Year to everybody and a healthy 2012!!!
user_-897618145 07.01.2012 18:28:20 UTC



@HarryKuehn Ich weiß was du meinst, aber schau mal wie alt dieser Thread schon ist.

Meinst du echt es wird sich was ändern?

Im schlimmsten Fall belügen sie sich doch selbst und bringen tut es ihnen auch nichts.

Ich habe meine eigene Hall of Fame und da stehe ich immer ganz oben, so einfach ist das :-D

Letztes Jahr habe ich über mehrere Monate richtig rein gehauen,
aber es wird immer jemanden geben der 10.000 Kalorien mehr macht als du.

Sieh es als Ansporn an, oder lach dich darüber kaputt.

Die App kann nichts dafür das es solchen Idioten gibt, ich finde sie nach wie vor sehr gut.

MfG

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